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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the top 10 of google for around 3 months and had been in the top 15 prior to that for another 3 months. Things were looking good. Then all the sudden on this last update I was dumped to 60 something. I hoped I would bounce back but I have only been able to get up to page 3. I dont understand what happened. I have been playing it safe lately having gotten to a comfortable rank. (safe as in no major changes, still stomping though.) Anyway I had bought several pr8 links and had them up for several months prior to my dump. I thought my pr would go up to at least pr6 as well but I had no increase! Still pr5 as well as being dropped. What gives? Maybe I should not have been buying links with minimal to no relavency? Anyway if anyone has ideas I&#039;d love to hear them.

Thanks, David
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the top 10 of google for around 3 months and had been in the top 15 prior to that for another 3 months. Things were looking good. Then all the sudden on this last update I was dumped to 60 something. I hoped I would bounce back but I have only been able to get up to page 3. I dont understand what happened. I have been playing it safe lately having gotten to a comfortable rank. (safe as in no major changes, still stomping though.) Anyway I had bought several pr8 links and had them up for several months prior to my dump. I thought my pr would go up to at least pr6 as well but I had no increase! Still pr5 as well as being dropped. What gives? Maybe I should not have been buying links with minimal to no relavency? Anyway if anyone has ideas I&#8217;d love to hear them.</p>
<p>Thanks, David<br />
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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I agree , Stomping the Search Engines is a really good package.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree , Stomping the Search Engines is a really good package.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rising bid prices might be bad news for PPC customers, but they help those who use Adsense as a revenue source...

Rob
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rising bid prices might be bad news for PPC customers, but they help those who use Adsense as a revenue source&#8230;</p>
<p>Rob<br />
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pet Affiliate Programs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pet Affiliate Programs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, besides Google, and maybe Yahoo or MSN, do you work with any other engines?

In your next newsletter, can you maybe talk about planning ahead for some of these weird shopping engines, things like Faxo, Exava etc.?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, besides Google, and maybe Yahoo or MSN, do you work with any other engines?</p>
<p>In your next newsletter, can you maybe talk about planning ahead for some of these weird shopping engines, things like Faxo, Exava etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have also started with pay-per-click for our
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We signed up with Google last week and are very impressed with the tools and the ability to &quot;cap&quot; daily spend for each advert.

Good luck and happy Christmas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have also started with pay-per-click for our<br />
<a href="http://www.omweb.com">Feng Shui, Colour Point and Meditation Courses</a> &#8211; Feng Shui &#8211; Colour Point and Meditation Courses.</p>
<p>We signed up with Google last week and are very impressed with the tools and the ability to &#8220;cap&#8221; daily spend for each advert.</p>
<p>Good luck and happy Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

Great work on &quot;Stomping the Search Engines&quot;.  I have noticed that it is not easy getting reciprocal links with established sites when starting out.  I am considering pay-per-click advertising until I can get backlinks established. Does anyone have good advice on pay-per-click advertising?

I would like to ask your audience to join me in trading text links.  I learned from your program that sites may or may not need to be relevant to help boost PR rating.


Best Regards,
Bradley

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>Great work on &#8220;Stomping the Search Engines&#8221;.  I have noticed that it is not easy getting reciprocal links with established sites when starting out.  I am considering pay-per-click advertising until I can get backlinks established. Does anyone have good advice on pay-per-click advertising?</p>
<p>I would like to ask your audience to join me in trading text links.  I learned from your program that sites may or may not need to be relevant to help boost PR rating.</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Bradley</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Fallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Fallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That article was in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webpronews.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Web Pro News&lt;/a&gt; recently. Bottom line, PageRank is very important, but for whatever reason, the toolbar appears to lag the actual PageRank of pages.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That article was in <a href="http://www.webpronews.com/">Web Pro News</a> recently. Bottom line, PageRank is very important, but for whatever reason, the toolbar appears to lag the actual PageRank of pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

Check this out:

Google Toolbar PageRank only for entertainment purposes?

Last week, two statements about Google&#039;s PageRank started a new discussion about this topic.

The first statement was made in the Search Engine Watch forums. It was from a person who received the following answer to a PageRank question from a Google employee:

&quot;The PageRank that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is for entertainment purposes only.

Due to repeated attempts by hackers to access this data, Google updates the PageRank data very infrequently because is it not secure. On average, the PR that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is several months old.

If the toolbar is showing a PR of zero, this is because the user is visiting a new URL that hasn&#039;t been updated in the last update.

The PR that is displayed by the Google Toolbar is not the same PR that is used to rank the webpage results so there is no need to be concerned if your PR is displayed as zero.

If a site is showing up in the search results, it doesn&#039;t not have a real PR of zero, the Toolbar is just out of date&quot;

In another forum, a person with the name GoogleGuy, who is believed to a Google employee, made the following statement:

&quot;I&#039;d strongly disagree with the statement that the toolbar PageRank is for &#039;entertainment purposes only&#039;--millions of toolbar users use the PageRank display to judge the quality of pages.

I think it&#039;s also a little irresponsible to quote John Galt claiming to talk to some random person at Google, and then for you to quote it as a response from Google, which makes it sound more official. I&#039;m happy to refute that this is any sort of official stance.&quot;

GoogleGuy didn&#039;t say that the comments in the first statement are wrong. He said that toolbar users use the PageRank display to judge the quality of web pages. He did not say that Google uses the number of the PageRank toolbar to rank web pages.

The PageRank feature is also no longer mentioned in the official Google toolbar tour.

What does this mean to you?

Of course, PageRank is important to get good rankings on Google. However, the PageRank number that is displayed in the Google Toolbar and the green PageRank bar are not important at all for good Google rankings.

It&#039;s very likely that the PageRank number that can be seen in the Google Toolbar is mainly a marketing instrument for Google that doesn&#039;t have much effect on the search results. Google seems to use an internal PageRank value for its ranking algorithm and a public PageRank value for the toolbar.

That would explain why many web pages with a high ranking on Google have a low (toolbar) PageRank.

When you want to trade links with another web site, don&#039;t look at the PageRank of that site. Instead, ask yourself: Is the web site related to your site? Would it make sense for web surfers if they linked to you and you linked to them? Could visitors of the other web site be interested in your site? If you find a web site that you would want to visit or your visitors would want to visit then link to it and ask for a link back to your site.

Just use common sense. If you like a page, changes are that other people also like that page, no matter what PageRank the Google toolbar displays.

I received this in an email from  Axandra Search Engine Facts, let me know what you think?

Jim
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>Check this out:</p>
<p>Google Toolbar PageRank only for entertainment purposes?</p>
<p>Last week, two statements about Google&#8217;s PageRank started a new discussion about this topic.</p>
<p>The first statement was made in the Search Engine Watch forums. It was from a person who received the following answer to a PageRank question from a Google employee:</p>
<p>&#8220;The PageRank that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is for entertainment purposes only.</p>
<p>Due to repeated attempts by hackers to access this data, Google updates the PageRank data very infrequently because is it not secure. On average, the PR that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is several months old.</p>
<p>If the toolbar is showing a PR of zero, this is because the user is visiting a new URL that hasn&#8217;t been updated in the last update.</p>
<p>The PR that is displayed by the Google Toolbar is not the same PR that is used to rank the webpage results so there is no need to be concerned if your PR is displayed as zero.</p>
<p>If a site is showing up in the search results, it doesn&#8217;t not have a real PR of zero, the Toolbar is just out of date&#8221;</p>
<p>In another forum, a person with the name GoogleGuy, who is believed to a Google employee, made the following statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d strongly disagree with the statement that the toolbar PageRank is for &#8216;entertainment purposes only&#8217;&#8211;millions of toolbar users use the PageRank display to judge the quality of pages.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s also a little irresponsible to quote John Galt claiming to talk to some random person at Google, and then for you to quote it as a response from Google, which makes it sound more official. I&#8217;m happy to refute that this is any sort of official stance.&#8221;</p>
<p>GoogleGuy didn&#8217;t say that the comments in the first statement are wrong. He said that toolbar users use the PageRank display to judge the quality of web pages. He did not say that Google uses the number of the PageRank toolbar to rank web pages.</p>
<p>The PageRank feature is also no longer mentioned in the official Google toolbar tour.</p>
<p>What does this mean to you?</p>
<p>Of course, PageRank is important to get good rankings on Google. However, the PageRank number that is displayed in the Google Toolbar and the green PageRank bar are not important at all for good Google rankings.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very likely that the PageRank number that can be seen in the Google Toolbar is mainly a marketing instrument for Google that doesn&#8217;t have much effect on the search results. Google seems to use an internal PageRank value for its ranking algorithm and a public PageRank value for the toolbar.</p>
<p>That would explain why many web pages with a high ranking on Google have a low (toolbar) PageRank.</p>
<p>When you want to trade links with another web site, don&#8217;t look at the PageRank of that site. Instead, ask yourself: Is the web site related to your site? Would it make sense for web surfers if they linked to you and you linked to them? Could visitors of the other web site be interested in your site? If you find a web site that you would want to visit or your visitors would want to visit then link to it and ask for a link back to your site.</p>
<p>Just use common sense. If you like a page, changes are that other people also like that page, no matter what PageRank the Google toolbar displays.</p>
<p>I received this in an email from  Axandra Search Engine Facts, let me know what you think?</p>
<p>Jim<br />
<a href="http://www.myspytech.com">Spy Surveillance DVR</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting,

I just read or heard somewhere that Google did over a billion dollars in Google Adsense revenue? Did I hear that right?

T. L. Pakii Pierce
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting,</p>
<p>I just read or heard somewhere that Google did over a billion dollars in Google Adsense revenue? Did I hear that right?</p>
<p>T. L. Pakii Pierce<br />
Upgrade Your Mind!<br />
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