Stompers: Yahoo Tidbit
Here’s an interesting tidbit for Stompers to consider. Search “wholesale wedding favors” on Yahoo. Note that kateaspen.com (our new wholesale wedding favors) company is #2. (A couple days ago it was number one.)
My partner was impressed, but I didn’t DO anything. 
Heh.
I’ve been telling people, as you know, that Yahoo cares more about on-page factors than Google, and is more susceptible to “pure link popularity” as with link farms, cloaked dynamically generated sites, etc. (Note that the #1 site is a cloaked web site. Can you tell?)
Good or bad, such tactics are killing it on Yahoo now. But most people do it clumsily (and it still works). If I ever did a “black hat” seminar I’d probably make a fortune. Nah. There’s enough amateurish search engine spam out there as it is. Plus, it’s easy enough to do search engine marketing right.
Anyway, look at that Yahoo search. Kateaspen comes up #2 and there are only a couple links! None of them did I go out and purposefully obtain. The ONLY link I did was one from this blog. (Links on bradfallon.com anyone?) And if you look at the results, “wholesale wedding favors” has several sites vying for attention, though most are not the home page.
Granted, kateaspen.com is fairly well optimized for “wholesale weddingfavors” — I didn’t put too much effort into it, but hey, I gotta reputation to consider.
Anyway, I thought you’d find that interesting…Fairly well optimized home page, one decent link, not too terrible competitive (multi-word) search phrase, and there you go — top of Yahoo. Not so on MSN (interesting) but the MSN beta results are sarting to look pretty good to me. C’mon Microsoft, let’s launch it already!
Posted by Brad Fallon on Wednesday, December 29th, 2004 at 11:20 am 
Hi Brad,
Happy Holidays! A question: How long did it take for kateaspen.com to reach this position?
I’ve linked from your blog a few times now over the last couple of weeks. Going through my log files, I don’t seem to have even been visited by googlebot yet.
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Another thought – do you think the linking off the main page gets you crawled faster/more reliably?
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Sounds interesting enough. I’ve had OK (top 3) results in Yahoo, MSN, Altavista etc. recently, but am nowhere to be found on google.
With all the hassle of playing the SEO games, i’ve been thinking about going ppc exclusively. At least that I can control. Only problem is that on affiliate products the margins are pretty tight at times.
Eric
Essential Oils
Greetings,
I have a question that is off topic, that I hope someone can give me a hand with.
I listened to the Stomper CD’s, followed by the teleseminar. I heard a Stomper ask a question about changing a website’s subdomain from “store.yourwebsite.com” to “www.yourwebsite.com”.
I got the impression that there is a right way to do this and a wrong way. What’s the “right” way?
Thanks in advance,
Paige
Brad, you never cease to amaze me!
Do you think you can do a million a month in volume just from the web with your “little” store? Would you be the “King of All Favors” or would you just own a small piece of a humongous pie?
Best of luck in ’05 buddy!
Brad,
Yes, yahoo is interesting. I was so focused on google that I didn’t even pay attention to yahoo. msn was a passing thought… then I realized I was #1 & #2 on msn and #2 & #3 for nitric oxide supplement. I didn’t even really work for my #3 spot but it’s there. Something to think about..
2005 and beyond!!!
Jon
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Yes, it is the same. Have been watching google way too much, and realized yahoo was up high in the ranks.
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I am starting to see some very high page rank on google for some of my keywords. But Yahoo is not ranking me very highly. My on page factors appear to be intact… I am not sure where the error could be.
John
Teething
Yes….. I’m ready for msn beta to go live. MSN loves my site. I’m not sure why but I have six different keywords in the top ten. I’m also in the top 50 in yahoo but nowhere to be seen on google.
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New Stomper here.
I went and looked at the yahoo search and your website is #1 again. Congrats!
How can you tell if your competition is using cloaked pages and other black hat tricks?
Lee
Knives & Knife accressories
Brad
Just like you said everything is working well.
jj
http://mozerstudios.com
Everyone seems so caught up with Google–and maybe we should concentrate on yahoo and msn more. I’m doing much better with them than with Google.
http://www.efavors.com
As the saying goes, “Shoot for the moon. If you miss you may hit the stars.” It seems as though Google is the moon and if we keep working at trying to hit it, we’ll start doing well in the other engines. Just my two cents.
So Much Glassware
This is in response to Paige above.
I built my store not using yahoo editor so my pages are located at http://www.yogapilatesstore.com and not store.yogapilatesstore.com. I wanted to make sure all traffic going to the store domain could be redirected to the www location so I emailed Yahoo to see how I could achieve this. I got several different answers in our email chain. So I figured the best way to avoid any further confusion was to call Yahoo support. I called Yahoo and spoke to 3 different people, and of course received 3 different answers. I finally just put a JavaScript redirect on store.yogapilatesstore.com to point to http://www.yogapilatesstore.com. This seems to be working. However I was a little surprised that yahoo had no way of pointing all store traffic to the www location. I hope this helps if not I can post the JavaScript code and you can use on your store. Let me know.
Josh
http://www.yogapilatesstore.com
http://www.mymoviedownload.com
Josh would it be possible for you to go ahead and post the JavaScript you used because I’m in the same situation. Thanks.
Andrew
So Much Glassware
Josh,
I’m with Andrew…that would be great of you if you could post the JavaScript for our use. I appreciate your help on this. Happy New Year!
Paige
Good job again Brad!
Using your techniques, we were number in Yahoo right after Christmas-less than a month after instituting our first major SEO on the home page.Wow!
We made some changes to see how it affected our standing in Google, and it bumped us down to 10th-ooops.
We’re also 7th on MSN and Alta Vista. Our hardest challenge is still Google-not even close yet
We’re trying Total Optimizer Pro now to check the backlinks more in depth…
If you’re new-keep with it because the Stomper Secrets work!
Bob
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This post is off topic but I think it’s worth mentioning, in the last 5 minutes my Google PR has moved from 3 to 4, and my internal pages are between 2 and 4. Previously the internal pages had a PR of 0 to 2, but most of them didn’t exist until I started following the instructions on STSE’s. Thank you Brad I couldn’t have done it without you.
So a pattern is starting to emerge. Google has updated the PR in late June early July, early October and now early January.
Mike
To continue Mike’s line.
One of my sites moved up in PR also (2 -> 3) which is nice.
Funny thing is, NONE of the main pages are in google’s top 1000!
#1-4 in all the other major engines, but non-existent in google. Yet google still upped the PR for the homepage.
There is absolutely no way to know or understand this kind of stuff is there!
All the best to all in the new year.
Eric Koshinsky
P.S. I will happily trade links with just about anyone…just go here
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This is very strange. Wondering if any one has seen this before. On my movie download site I have gone from a PR 0 to a PR 4 all thanks to Brads techniques. But this is the strange, thing the login in page to my movie download stats page has a page rank of PR 6! All other sub pages seem to be a PR of 3. I thought the home page would have the highest PR? Any thoughts.
Also my yoga mat store went from a PR 0 to PR 3 in a little over 1 month. Thanks Brad!!!!!!! Can’t wait for the next update.
Piage,
I posted the redirect on my site because I am not sure if I post it in this blog if it will redirect to my site. Not good so You can see an example of the code by viewing source on this demo page.
I can email it to you as well just let me know.
Josh
MyMovieDownload
YogaPilatesStore
Happy New Year Brad,
I hope your ideas really work as I try them out one by one. Thanks for being such a great resource to us newbie stompers.
Mike
Teva Footware
I have noticed the same results about on page and link anchor pop with msn beta as well. Sites with very few links but many instances of key in copy and good text link anchors are pulling off very high ranks.
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Hey Brad, I’m not trying to short-change anyone, but does Yahoo look at the quality of the link, or just relevance?
Thanks for any help!
We also had our PR upgraded. Many of our internal pages went up to PR4, but our home page (Highly optimized, number 1 on Yahoo right after Christmas)is still ust a PR2
I noticed in researching our competition in Google, that one of the top ten (number 4 I believe)has a very plain text only page with no links except to their home page (which is Not optimized for that particular term). Now, it’s not an automatic redirect, but it has one link only-direct to their home page….interesting. I may try this on some of our other keywords.
(Always research)- Yahoo looks at both. We rented some high quality links and it took our site from 135th to number 1 in Yahoo in about 4 weeks!
Also, you should post your html signature file at the bottom of each post to create a backlink of anchor text to your site.This will help you and makes your contribution of time more worthwhile.
Bob
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Hi and Happy New Year.
I have found that most sensibly optimised pages end up doing well on Yahoo which is quite a relief when you concentrate on Google and get nowhere!
Google continues to give me grief.
I have one site with only 2 backlinks admittedly PR5 but with non relevant link text. This site gets visited every day by Google (sometimes twice) even though the main content has been the same for about 8 months since the site was launched. The site homepage is now PR5 but it fell like a brick in December and is now outside the top #500. It refuses to come back.
I have found that some of the strategies that used to work well for page titles no longer work for 2 and 3 word key phrases. In fact for 3 word phrases putting all three words in order in the title appears to give a worse result than using just 2 of the words.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Rich
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Hi Brad,
I have purchased the CD sets and I should say, I have learned a lot and some of my doubts have indeed been clarified.
I just wonder how I can exchange links with your site. I mainly do affiliate marketing only. My sites are as follows:
a1ventures.com
http://www.submitventures.com
seventhday-adventist.com
hotels-motels-discount.com
discountgrandfatherclock.net
catalog-onlinel.net
christmasgiftsidea.com
onlinebibleshop.com
musicalinstrumentonline.com
litronics.net
On the otherhand, i have one more doubt regarding links. Most of my site have been done through a “website making company” like homestead. Then i would buy a domain name and forward that domain name to the site I have made. My question is, should I link directly to my domain name? or should the link be directed to the homepage url of the site I created? What is the effect is i direct the site to the domain name or to the homepage url?
After google did it’s update on the begining of Jan, I finally have some page rank. Some are PR2 and some ar PR3. I guess you just have to be patient with google.
Al
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My site is hosted by yahoo and I’ve found that I got ranked #2 for some low hanging fruit that I didn’t even try to rank for yet. Does anyone else believe that yahoo might favor yahoo hosted sites? Can they show favortism like that? Maybe someday I will change my host and see what happens to my rankings in yahoo.
Does anyone know when the next google update is going to be?
Keep on Stompin’ in the free world!
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Really intersting. Too bad there is not a “search engine standard” on the way search engines work. Whats good for one may not work for the other, so I guess it boils down to which one you want to be found on.
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Hey Stompers! Keep up the good work…Just added a new section to our site at luxury bedding ensembles
it’s interesting what results you can get with some basic SEO and Stomper techniques.
I made a new site on Sunday evening, which I set up about a dozen backlinks from PR5 sites and it’s already in the top 100 in google for the search term.
Wonder if I can get it in the top 10 before sunday night…
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Just starting to see some encouraging results. Will trade links too. Brad maybe start a new search engine of your own, you know you’d have lots of keyword bidders
Noram
Boneafied.com
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It sure seesm to be easier to get into Yahoo than Google. I created a site last Sunday, and by Monday afternoon I was already recieving traffic from Yahoo. Incredible.. The Big G has poked its nose it to my site, but thats as far as its gone..
I sure hope my sites are high ranking in Yahoo! I’ve got your stomping course but haven’t had a chance to listen to it yet. I hope to god it can help me get my sites ranking high!
Interesting. So far I can not even be “found” on the first 15 pages of Google, but have gotten onto the first page of Yahoo. Thanks for all the hints and suggestions. I’ll keep working!
Bob Bare
http://www.repair-your-hearing-aid.com
I’ve found Yahoo to be easier, and a lot of the time when I’m searching I get better results from Yahoo then Google.
Has any paid to have their site put in the Yahoo directory and if so has it been beneficial?
Cheryl
Lingerie Hut
Well, I listened to the CD’s, have been getting links, but still find my site only ranking very low. Are you sure it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do this? I wish I had the money to take your course,but I don’t
Yes it can take some time to put in place all the recommended processes. I have a number of sites up and running the first one I tackled went up fairly quickly maybe I got in at the right time for the goggle PR update. The next is not yet stomping ahead but it is still new. Just keep going.
Ron
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Very interesting , starting to get somewhere now thank’s to you. Getting optimised onpage and hoping to start ranking up there with the big boys , thanks to you . Keep the info coming . It’s going to be a good year .
http://www.mysticalfengshui.com
Very interesting , i’m starting to get the onpage factors setup , going to be up there with the big boys pretty soon .
thanks for all the info , and much luck to all in the new year . Tom .
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Very interesting , i’m starting to get the on page factors setup , going to be up there with the big boys pretty soon .
Thank’s for all the info , and much luck to all in the new year . Tom .
http://www.mysticalfengshui.com
Thanks for the Yahoo tip. I’ve been slowly trading links with the directories on your list and have purchased some links. I’ve gotten on the first page of MSN, but still not showing up on Yahoo or Google.
I’ll keep on plugging away getting links.
Thanks for you help!
Robert Tom
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Hi Brad.
We agree that Yahoo is just as important as Google. We are implementing the stomper suggestions on a daily basis. We have tried Google Adwords for 3 months and just signed up for Overture ppc.
Since implementing the link suggestions we have dissappeard off the radar.
Have we over-optimized?
Any comments would be much appreciated!
Leslie & Christina
Use Your Noggin Toys
Hi Brad,
I have seen faster results in Yahoo as well than Google after optimizing our pages a bit more and gaining just a few links.
We haven’t cracked the high pages however, we are moving up.
Our target is PPC’s next while still going after those great PR and quality website links.
Thanks for your insight!
Lance
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I agree with what you’re saying. Thanks for sharing the info with us.
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